Full self driving
Full Self-Driving is one of the two Autopilot packages available for Tesla cars. Compared to Autopilot, Full Self-Driving offers more capabilities including:
Full Self-Driving is currently intended for use with a fully attentive driver, who has their hands on the wheel and is prepared to take over at any moment. While these features are designed to become more capable over time, the currently enabled features do not make the vehicle autonomous.
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Tesla's latest software update, 2020.28.5, introduces some nice changes in the Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control feature in the US. The feature won't be available in Europe until 2020.28.10. Keep reading to learn more about 2020.28.5 and which Tesla models get which features.
Tesla's latest software update, 2020.12.6 brings everyone a new and very much expected feature: Traffic and Stop sign control. This new feature requires Autopilot HW3 (Full Self-Driving) and enables the car to stop at traffic lights and stop signs by itself. Read more and see release notes here.
If you purchased Full Self-Driving (FSD) and are not on Autopilot Hardware 3 yet, I’m sure you must be wondering when is your retrofit going to be available. Here’s what we know.
Videos about Full self driving
AI for Full-Self Driving by Andrej Karpathy in 10 Minutes
Last week, Andrej Karpathy talked about different aspects of the Neural Network, scaling and AI for FSD. In this video, I condense the talk down to just 10 minutes. But highly recommend you watch the whole thing.
Autopilot Stopping at Stop Signs by Itself
Check out Tesla Autopilot stopping at stop lights all by itself. Version 2020.12.5.6 (Early Access only).
Can Tesla Full Self Driving Take You To Work in 2020?
What Percent of My Commute is Using Autopilot?
Video released by Tesla on April 22nd, 2019 (Tesla Autonomy Day).
Tesla (2020.12.6) Traffic Light Awareness First Drive
This is our first drive of Tesla's new software update 2020.12.6 which brings Traffic Light & Stop Sign Awareness! Our car can now drive on Autopilot with Full Self-Driving Computer Enabled and Recognize and Stop at traffic lights, and stop signs.
Why I‘m Not Buying Tesla FSD
Tesla’s Full Self Driving option currently costs $7,000 and the price will continue to increase. But I decided not to get it for my Model Y. Here's why.
Past Tesletter articles
Ok, not all of us, only those of you with FSD. But it’s here for everyone and it’s really exciting. While this isn’t fully autonomous, the idea of the car stopping by itself and restarting when the driver says so sounds pretty good to me! Remember to be in control of your car at all times.From issue #109
Cool video by ‘Black Tesla’ showing Autopilot on residential roads with the latest update 2020.28.5. The update introduces the ability to increase the speed limit up to +5 mph when ‘Traffic and Stop sign detection’ is enabled to make the driving experience more natural. And looking at this video, it seems like it does the job!From issue #122
It seems like AP can already make automatic lane changes on city streets in alpha. Production release coming up in ‘a few months’ (in Elon’s time 😉). So exciting to see this happening and our cars becoming smarter!From issue #121
After a few weeks of rumors Elon was crystal about it on Twitter. He also clarified that retrofits will start when the software is able to take meaningful advantage of the Tesla FSD computer, which is an order of magnitude more capable than the current one.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #53
This feature was available in the Model S but just got added to the Model 3. Pretty helpful when you need to park in a tight spot and there isn’t much space left to get out of the car.
Autopilot is available at $2,000 via Tesla in-app purchases until July 1st. In addition, if you have EAP, you can also purchase FSD for $3,000 until the same date. After July 1st, FSD price will go up to $4,000 for owners with EAP.
The question is, should you get AP or FSD? If you ask me, I think Autopilot is worth it if you have a long commute o travel often in your Tesla. It definitely makes driving safer and more relaxed- or less stressful, depends on your personality and how much you like to drive. Basic Autopilot does not include Navigate on Autopilot, lane changes, summon, Autopark, or traffic and stop sign control. If those are the features you’re looking for, then go for the FSD before its price increases.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #117
In the recent Elon Musk interview by Thirdrow Tesla Part 2, we learned that the Autopilot team is going through a foundational rewrite that goes from different networks for different cameras to combine all of them, planning, and perception. This reddit post goes over why this is a big deal and why the change was needed.
Read more: RedditFrom issue #98
Unannounced details about the upcoming Model Y from a little birdie:
- AWD only
- $35-$40k base price
- 250+ mile base model
- Autopilot HW 3.5 (with the possibility of a Tesla-designed Radar system, more cameras than current AP, no LIDAR)
- L4 FSD-ready from launch
Still some risk these change, but apparently these are the engineering targets.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #41
As Tesla starts delivering FSD features - hopefully this will start soon - they have the plan to increase the price of the software package. We are looking forward to see what thew show in their webcast on Monday.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #55
Kara Swisher from Recode Decode did an awesome interview to Elon. He talks about everything from Tesla’s close to death earlier this year, to what is down the pipe for Tesla, to rockets, Mars, and others. A few Tesla related highlights:
- NoA comes to a halt at the intersection after the off-ramp. I didn’t know about it until I listed to this podcast.
- Tesla is now integrating stop signs, traffic lights, hard right turns, or hairpin bends.
- Elon Musk thinks Tesla would archive full self-driving in 2019 and no other competitor is close to it, although it also seems like he doesn’t worry much about competitors.
- The future Tesla pickup truck is going to be a really futuristic-like cyberpunk, “Blade Runner”, pickup truck. Elon is really excited about it.
Listen to the interview: Recode DecodeFrom issue #32
Check out minute 10.05 to see how Autopilot with firmware version 2020.16.3.1 handles a roundabout and follows indications to exit it all by itself. This AP version still doesn’t stop at stop signs and traffic lights. Just amazing. FSD is certainly not fully functional yet (same AP aborts entering a roundabout towards the end of the video), but seeing things like this makes me believe. PS. Lorry = truck 🚚
See more: YouTubeFrom issue #116
OP had the opportunity to talk with a mobile technician and shared some exciting news about FSD. «Everything is working well at this point (stop signs, street lights, left turns, right turns, etc.) The only consistent bug he has had is «valet mode», where the car will drop off the occupants and find its own parking spot. (…) It had some issues coming back (refused to saying obstacle detected).»
We aren’t sure about how much of this is reality vs. what is not but we can’t help but getting excited!
Read more: RedditFrom issue #41
According to Elon, the price of the FSD package is going up another $1k on August 16th. He also mentioned that if you - like us - have purchased EAP before, you should get a $3k discount - that is how much we paid for it - on the FSD price.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #68
We’ve been waiting to get the FSD upgrade for a while (Model S, Dec 2017). Tesla recently released a support page that throws some light to frequently asked questions such as, ‘when’s my FSD upgrade going to be available?’.
Also, a very cool video on the enhanced Driving Visualizations that come with FSD.
Read more: TeslaFrom issue #104
Earlier this week, Greentheonly shared on Twitter that there’s code for a ‘pay as you go’ subscription plan type in Tesla’s source code and it has been there for a while. Taking into account that FSD’s current price is $7,000 when purchased with a new vehicle, a ‘pay as you go’ model could certainly help Tesla’s FSD to become mainstream when the right time arrives. Just yesterday at the earnings call, Elon confirmed that FSD will be available as a subscription later this year.From issue #109
There’s been a lot of speculation around if it’d be possible to upgrade cars with MCU1 to FSD (HW3). Well, we’re now seeing the first Tesla with MCU1 being upgraded to Hardware 3 both in the US and Canada. A few highlights from the stories we’ve read here and here:
- The hardware part takes about one hour
- The software update is trickier, it needs involvement from engineering, and it can take between 2-4 hours
In terms of functionality:
- No cones or street markings on the IC display (MCU2 is needed)
- TeslaCam and SentryMode recording works (Dashcam Viewer does not)
- Only front and repeater cameras record - no recording from the rear camera. This is the same as with HW2.5
We hope to get the upgrade in the next few weeks, we’re currently waiting for some missing parts to arrive in our Service Center 🤞From issue #114
A few months ago, there was some speculation around if Tesla cars with AP2.0 would be able to upgrade to FSD or not. The answer is yes, and it can be done right now if you’re also getting the MCU2 retrofit. Reddit user ‘chillaban’ has shared his experience so you can read more about it here. If you’ve purchased FSD and are waiting for the Infotainment upgrade to be available, know that you can just schedule an appointment and request it. Most likely, you’ll get an appointment to get both done at the same time.
Read more: Reddit
From issue #113
It seems that some Tesla owners who have purchased the FSD package after its price has been raised to $5,000 (previously $4,000) have been returned the difference without having requested it. We don’t know if this is something that is happening to everyone or if Tesla will continue doing it, but it’s nice that they are grandfathering the original price to at least some existing customers.
Read more: TMC ForumFrom issue #31
FSD with MCU1 doesn’t display cones or trash cans but it does display stop signs and stoplights. I personally didn’t know that, I thought it would stop at stop signs and traffic lights but just not display the icons in my MCU1 screen. Good to know, and thanks for sharing Zack! I’m next! I got the FSD retrofit in my Model S 2017 with AP2.5 and MCU1 on Tuesday and I almost cried when I saw my first stop sign 😉
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #115
After the presentation at the Autonomy Day, Tesla offered rides to all investors to experience the FSD first hand. It was a pre-determined route, and sadly they didn’t allow recordings, but they released a video. After the ride, a few investors shared their excitement on Twitter:
«Parking lot to city streets, to freeway, to city streets back to parking lot, ~10 mile drive, 100% autonomous» - Hamid Shojaee
«It can totally drive the roads. Everything. Stop signs. Lights. Bikers. Etc. you can’t curate real life driving» - Ross Gerber#56
FSD used to cost $3,000 and it will now cost $5,000 if purchased after delivery. In addition to that, the ‘Enhanced Autopilot’ package, which is required to get the FSD, has also gone from $5,000 to $6,000 if bought later on through and OTA update.
Read more: ElectrekFrom issue #15
You may have heard rumors that the Hardware 3 (FSD) retrofit is not going to be possible without MCU2. According to Bonnie Norman- well known for having reliable sources at Tesla- the rumors are not true. She has confirmed with Tesla that it is going to be possible. It’s just not available at the moment.
We’ve been in touch with our Service Center and they told us they’re prioritizing Hardware 3 (FSD) + MCU2 upgrade at the moment. No dates shared for Hardware 3 (FSD) +MCU1 yet.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #101
Thanks to greentheonly, who gave the instructions, someone in the Bay Area has been able to enable a bunch of internal flags to make a normal Tesla run stock firmware capable of reproducing the FSD Tesla autonomy demo. In the video, you can see that the driver disables AP because ULC was disabled in that particular version and the turning of the car was limited. In the words of greentheonly, «Almost everything that was shown on Autonomy Day is there in regular firmware, sometimes disabled».#63
Tesla is asking for more employees to sign up for their Full self-driving test program. They are trying to get as many employees as possible with their HW3 running their alpha versions of the FSD software. We aren’t Tesla employees but Elon if you are listening we would love to test it for you!
Read more: RedditFrom issue #40
It seems like some Tesla drivers are having problems with the auto park. We’ve seen ourselves the auto park appears at intersections which is kind of weird. As pointed out by some Tesla drivers, one of the secrets is to drive slow and pull way past. That made the trick for us too!
Read more: RedditFrom issue #6
The Infotainment upgrade for owners with MCU1 is finally available. We have so many questions… should we pay for the upgrade? When can we get it? Is it required for the Hardware 3 (FSD) upgrade? We have shared everything we know in this article.
Read more: TesletterFrom issue #101
Teslarati was able to see inventory cars with HW3 inspecting the options from Tesla’s web page.
Read more: TeslaratiFrom issue #52
Greentheonly has discovered there’s been some recent progress in the HW2 to HW3 retrofit, which makes us think it’s actually going to happen. According to him, it’s probably going to be a degraded experience compared to the HW2.5 to HW3 retrofit, and looking at the changes in the latest firmware versions, it seems they don’t plan on changing the radar or the steering rack.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #97
Tesla said this a while ago but just now owners (thanks DirtyTesla) are reporting it showing up in their Tesla accounts.
Read more: RedditFrom issue #74
According to Greentheonly, the latest update 2020.12 is basically the same as 2020.8.1 but it introduces two important changes:
- Preparation for cars with MCU1 to be able to be upgraded to FSD
- What seem to be preparations to enable actual stopping for stop signs/traffic lights
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #103
As you probably remember AP on backroads and non-divided roads used to allow the driver to the next speed to +5 mph the speed limit. When Tesla introduced the Stop Sign and Traffic Light Control, they changed it so you couldn’t make it past the speed limit. Well, according to our friends at Teslascope, the +5 mph speed limit will be back in our cars very soon.From issue #119
We just got the first version of Smart Summon, and people are already asking for the next thing. According to Elon, Smart Parking could drop in a couple of months for all cars that purchased EAP or FSD, although as he said: «it may be a little silly at first.»
I think that Elon is always really ambitious, but, as folks test Smart Summon, Tesla is gathering a lot of data about parking lots, curbs, and others; which is going to give them an advantage in implementing Smart Parking.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #80
Greentheonly was able to find new assets that hint at speed limit recognition coming to our Teslas. According to Green, we should expect this worldwide soon.
Check the Twitter thread to see the renders, interestingly some Tesla owners in the thread are claiming roundabouts being recognized as traffic signs and, in fact, check out the video below to see how FSD with 2020.16.3.1 handles entering an exiting a roundabout all by itself!
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #116
Elon Musk recently shared on Twitter that stop sign and traffic light stopping mode are coming soon to the US and a worldwide release will probably happen in Q3. E-X-C-I-T-E-D!From issue #106
Tesla is working on Autopark, which will allow you to drive to the door of a store and your Tesla will go find a parking spot and park itself. In the spirit of iterating the feature in the real world, it seems like Tesla is planning to release a first version that, while safe, could sometimes park in silly places that aren’t actual parking spaces.
Given the experience with Smart Summon- people used it 500,000 times in the first few days and Tesla used that to improve it right after- releasing and iterating seems the right thing to do as long as using the feature is safe.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #81
We’ve known for a while- thanks to greentheonly - that the current firmware includes stop sign and traffic light detection and reaction but it comes in disabled. Now, in the information released by Tesla about their Q2, we can read the following:
«We are making progress towards stopping at stop signs and traffic lights. This feature is currently operating in ‘shadow mode’ in the fleet, which compares our software algorithm to real-world driver behavior across tens of millions of instances around the world.»
Read more: TeslaratiFrom issue #70
This isn’t new information but, according to recent tweets from Elon, he expects the price of FSD to climb every 2 to 4 months depending on how much progress Tesla makes.
BTW, he also mentioned that early FSD buyers will get into the early access list and in general any FSD buyer will get priority in the upload queue.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #72
Elon Musk himself announced it on Twitter earlier this week. So if you’re thinking about getting FSD, hurry up, you still have a few more weeks before its price increases. In the following tweet, Elon estimated that the value of FSD, once is fully autonomous and approved by regulators, will be closer to $100k. Would you pay $100k for your personal chauffeur?
Read more: Twitter
From issue #112
In yesterday’s Q2 update, Tesla beat the estimates and reported the fourth straight quarter of profits. Elon said he’s never been as excited about Tesla and its future as he is now, and we couldn’t agree more. Here’s a quick summary of the call:
- Confirmed the next Gigafactory in Texas, near Austin. It’ll be the biggest one yet and Elon described it as «an ecological paradise» which will be open to the public.
- Solar prices adjusted
- «It’s getting to the point where I can get to work from home with almost no interventions.»
- «FSD will be the largest financial step-change in history, overnight.»
- The biggest transition in the FSD computer is going from 2D (image recognition) to 4D (video recognition).
Hints on Tesla making a compact vehicle as well as a high capacity one, but there’s still a long way to go before it happens
Tesla App Store coming
Tesla’s insurance telematics product will be available in California and a handful of other states by the end of the year
Berlin will have local cell production to serve their needs
Here are some great notes by @dburkland on Twitter. Thank you, Dan!From issue #121
Several comments made by CEO Elon Musk since the launch of its AP 2.0 hardware suite in all Tesla vehicles made since October 2016 indicate that the company might have to update its onboard computer in order to achieve the fully self-driving capability that it has been promising to customers.
Now it looks like Tesla might have to also offer computer retrofits for AP 2.5 cars.
Read more: Electrek.comFrom issue #7
Bad news for folks that did the FSD upgrade, MCU2 retrofit, MCU1 EMMC fix, or any other fix requiring computer swap. According to @greentheonly, Tesla doesn’t erase personal data so consider all accounts that you logged in your Tesla compromised and change your passwords ASAP. Tesla has said they’ll reach out to affected customers to inform about this.From issue #110
According to Elon’s tweet your Tesla will soon be able to go from your garage at home to parking at work with no driver input at all. Hard to believe, but they’re already testing traffic lights, stop signs and roundabouts in development software.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #37
As we shared a few weeks ago and Elon re-iterated yesterday on Twitter, the price of FSD is expected to go up ~$1k on May 1st. If you still haven’t purchased FSD and you feel like you are going to miss out and regret not buying it now at $5k, hurry up and get it before May 1st.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #56
Tesla used to give trials of the EAP but it was unclear what was going to happen after they re-defined the packages to AP and FSD. Well, it seems like they just started giving trials of the FSD features (Auto Lane Change, NoA, and Summon) right now.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #57
A source told Electrek that Tesla updated the Model 3 wiring diagrams in its internal service documentation on January 9th to include the new Autopilot 3.0 computer as the new standard ECU in Model 3.
An interesting new piece of information is that in the diagram we can see how the chip has connectors for a second radar although current models only have mounted a forward facing radar.
Read more: ElectrekFrom issue #43
Tesla just changed the definitions going forward but announced that customers who already purchased EAP will still get those features even though now are only included in the FSD package. Thanks Troy Teslike for the visualziation
See more: TeslaFrom issue #49
Elon postponed the increase until they released Smart Summon, now Smart Summon is here and he announced that Tesla will raise the price of the FSD package by $1,000 on November 1st. Elon clarified on Twitter that the price in Europe won’t increase until they are able to deliver some of the new features, hopefully, this means they are working with the regulator and he sees a viable path for it. Remember, Elon has said many times that as they release features that are part of the FSD package the price will keep on increasing.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #81
CleanTechnica made an in-depth review of the new Tesla FSD processor. Tesla decided to design this processor in house and make it solve one problem (matrix multiplications) really well.
Read more: CleanTechnicaFrom issue #65
Cool time-lapse of a FSD upgrade performed in the customer’s driveway in just a little over an hour. You can’t really see much in the video since it’s recorded from the outside but time-lapses are cool and it’s great to know Tesla’s Mobile Service is doing this so a) the upgrade can be done these days b) you don’t need to wait a whole day to get your Tesla back.From issue #114
Good news for Tesla owners in Europe. Tesla has contacted folks who are part of the Early Access Program announcing they will soon push the 2020.28.10 update which contains the much-awaited Traffic and Stop Sign Detection new feature. This feature will only be available in cars with FSD (Hardware 3 retrofits have already started in Europe as well).From issue #121
Last week, Elon Musk participated in the WAIC in Shanghai and shared an update on Tesla’s AI and FSD. Specifically, he said Tesla has no fundamental challenges remaining for Level 5 autonomy and it’s just many small problems that need to be solved: «I feel like we are very close to level 5 autonomy. We will have the basic functionality for level 5 autonomy complete this year». You’ve heard the man! Level 5 should allow the driver to stay hands-free most or all of the time.From issue #120
Elon mentioned it on Twitter a couple of weeks ago and it’s now official. If you had purchased Enhanced Autopilot, upgrading to Full Self-Driving is now $3,000. Or what it is the same $3,000 less than the current price of FSD ($3,000 happened to be the price of EAP if you got it when purchasing the car).
Expect this price to go up as FSD goes up, for instance, when FSD goes up to $7,000 in mid August, the upgrade from EAP will most likely be increased to $4,000.
Read more: TwitterFrom issue #70
Tesla’s next major software update ‘version 9.0’ is now set for a release in August and it will include the first ‘full self-driving features’ for Autopilot 2.0 vehicles, says CEO Elon Musk.
Read more: ElectrekFrom issue #12
Check out this video of Autopilot taking over to avoid a semi tire on the road. The owner says AP took over ‘a split second’ before he reacted. In case you’re wondering, this is a Model 3 without FSD and Autopilot was engaged.From issue #122
2019.40.50.1 dropped just on time for Christmas Eve and it comes with a bunch of new stuff:
- Driving visualization improvements (HW3 only)
- Voice commands
- Read and respond to text messages using the right scroll wheel button
- Camp Mode
- Voice Keyboard
- TRAX v0.1
- and more
Read more: TesletterFrom issue #91
Mostly a rehash of stuff from the last talk he gave in February, but there’s some new details about speed limit signs that starts at 11:00 and also some impressive demos of the birds-eye view predictor handling complex intersections and lane lines at 19:45.
See more: YouTubeFrom issue #117
Earlier this year, Andrej Karpathy talked about AI for Tesla’s FSD at the ScaledML Conference. It’s not the first talk by Karpathy that we share, you know we’re big fans. In this one, he discusses some of the work being done at Tesla around AI and Vision to improve FSD. In particular, he talks about how they’d like to train neural networks to do the planning and the prediction of the bird eye view inside the network itself vs. them being explicit predictions like they are today.From issue #108
We’re in awe with all the progress that Tesla is making and although we’re still far from the final solution, seeing videos like with critique the good and the bad is really educational. In this 15 minute video you can see the real Full Self-Driving experience with the new auto stop feature and Navigate on Autopilot in action.
This version fixes the bug that would let you override a stop in a red light. It’s also getting pretty good at ignoring lanes and green lights which are in other sections.From issue #110
A few days ago, Tesla started rolling out a new version 2020.12.5.6 (EAP only) introducing the expected new Traffic light and stop sign control feature. It’s looking pretty good although it’s still not a final product e.g. it will stop at all traffic lights, no matter if green or red, unless you override it. In our opinion, Tesla is being conservative with the rollout which is good because it’s a matter of safety. In case you missed this, check out these videos we shared to see it in action.From issue #108